In which readers come through with podcast suggestions
Last week I shared some of my favorite history podcasts and asked the Marginalia for their recommendations. As is often the case, I asked, you answered. Now it’s my turn to share the bounty.
First up, a podcast that I sometimes listen to, always enjoy and inexplicably left off the list: Revolutions http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/2013/09/index.html Like the title suggestions, this podcast examines the causes and history of the world’s great political revolutions, beginning with the Glorious Revolution of 1688. Each revolution is a mini-series within the larger podcast, so I suggest you start with the first episode of a particular revolution
I haven’t yet listened to the rest of the suggested podcasts, but I trust you people:
The History Movie Podcast www.historymoviepodcast.com
Radio Lab Presents: More Perfect http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolabmoreperfect/
In Our Time http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qykl
And now for the jackpot: @historypodlist tracks some 300 history podcasts. (Yes, you read that correctly three hundred. Obviously I have barely stuck my ear in the water.) You can either browse through the list for topics that catch your imagination: https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPodcasting/wiki/index or you can follow her/him on Twitter, where he/she posts links to individual episodes for you to sample. Kind of like tasting flavors of ice cream at Baskin-Robbins.
Happy listening!
A Civil Life in an Uncivil Time: An Interview with Paula Tarnapol Whitacre
It was inevitable that Paula Whitacre and I would meet, virtually if not in real life.* We’ve spent the last few years wading in the same pool: historical non-fiction about women anchored in Alexandria, Virginia during the American Civil War. A small place, a narrow time frame, a world in transition, a million stories.
Paula’s book, A Civil Life in an Uncivil Time: Julia Wilbur’s Struggle for Purpose is a compelling portrait of a nineteenth century abolitionist and social reformer working on the front line of change. It is also the story of a woman who reinvents herself in midlife at the same time that she works for social change. Julia Wilbur was 47 when the war broke out. Like many of my Civil War nurses, she left her home in the north and headed south to the chaos of wartime Alexandria, where she worked to help recently escaped slaves–often in conflict with other abolitionists and reformers. The result is a unfamiliar look at what I thought was a familiar story. One of my favorite things!
And now, welcome Paula Tarnapol Whitacre:
Even well known women in the nineteenth century are often neglected by biographers and historians. What led you to a relatively unknown reformer like Julia Wilbur?
Back in 2010, I offered to research the 32 Union hospitals that operated in Alexandria, Virginia, during the Civil War for the city’s archaeology program. Among the sources, I consulted letters and diaries written by Julia Wilbur, who worked in Alexandria from 1862 to 1865 and visited many of the hospitals as a relief agent. She piqued my interest. I began to transcribe the “Civil War years” of her extensive diaries, then started to read what she recorded in the years before the war, then afterwards, etc. One thing led to another, and I decided to follow the story of her life, with a focus on the Civil War.
You and I crossed paths because we both worked on women who worked in Alexandria during the Civil War. What, in your opinion, made Alexandria a central focus for reformers and change in the war?
Location, location, location. Alexandria was relatively accessible for thousands of African American freedpeople escaping slavery from elsewhere in Virginia. It was also a short boat ride or bridge-crossing from Washington. A visitor from the North could cross the Potomac River and be in the “Confederacy,” albeit in a city occupied by the Union Army. A few reformers—notably for our purposes, Julia Wilbur and Harriet Jacobs—dug in to live and work there. Many others came over from Washington for a day or two to inspect conditions of the freedpeople, most of whom lived in poverty. In fact, Julia and Harriet became adept at hosting influential visitors whom they knew could elicit political and material support back home.
One of the things modern readers, and writers, find difficult to deal with is the complexity of abolitionists’ attitudes on race. Could you talk a little about Wilber’s position and how it changed through the course of her life?
In Rochester, Julia Wilbur supported abolitionism but, with the exception of Frederick Douglass and his family, had little direct contact with African Americans. When she first came south, she embodied an “I’m here to help” attitude, embracing the cause but not seeing freedpeople as individuals. I can’t say she totally shed those patronizing feelings, but they seemed more class-based than race-based. Her social circle grew to include a number of middle-class African American women, in itself rare for the times.
A few other examples as I thought about her attitudes on race, among many. When she and Harriet Jacobs, who was African American, first met with Alexandria’s military governor, both women spoke to him directly—rather than Wilbur as the white woman taking the lead. Second, when Wilbur visited upstate New York after 6 months in Alexandria, she commented on the few black people she encountered, something she probably never would have noticed before.
Writing about a historical figure like Wilbur requires living with her over a period of months or years. What was it like to have her as a constant companion?
Besides the fact that some people started inadvertently calling me “Julia” instead of my name? I entered her life, especially during the periods in my research when I was very immersed in her diaries. It helped that I often walk the streets that she walked in Alexandria and Washington. That said, as a biographer, I had to maintain my distance and there were times when I needed to take a break from her own words and consult other sources.
Is there anything else you wish I had asked you about?
Why read about Julia Wilbur now? While I recognize the risk in over-applying the past to the present, I’d like readers to think about what she might do today, and how she might inspire us to act. She was not a leader, she was not wealthy, she often doubted or felt a little sorry for herself. Yet, she did what she could for causes she believed in. What can we learn from her, and what choices can you and I make to improve the world at least a little?
Paula Tarnapol Whitacre is a longtime freelance writer and editor. She works on projects about science, education, and policy, but her favorite assignments always relate to history in some way. Originally from New London, Connecticut, she has lived in Alexandria, Virginia, since the mid-1980s. She is on the boards of Friends of Alexandria Archaeology and the Civil War Roundtable of Washington, DC.
You can find out more about Paula and A Civil Life in an Uncivil Time at her website: http://www.paulawhitacre.com
In which I return to the question of history podcasts
Two years and two weeks ago I raised the question of history podcasts here on the Margins.
At that point, I had not yet found the history podcast of my dreams. I promised to report back when I found a few history podcast that I enjoy.
I must admit, I’m in much the same place that I was in 2015 as far as history podcasts are concerned. Most of the podcasts I listen to are about reading, writing, and cooking.* But I have found a handful of history podcasts that please me–and a bunch that I find impossible to listen to.**
In no particular order:
The Biography Podcast: Thew newest podcast on my play list, this is just what it sounds like, a smart interviewer talking with authors about biography and biographers. Thanks to Paige Bowers for calling this one to my attention.
Unknown History with Gies Milton: Short snappy historical incidents, taken directly from books by Milton and his friends. The stories are not always my cuppa, but they are always well told. The podcast is not updated on a regularly schedule–I suspect it’s tied to book releases.
99% Invisible: This one isn’t technically a history podcast. It’s about the way architecture and design shape our world. Ironically, it’s also my favorite history podcast. (Though The Biography Podcast is coming in at a close second.)
History Extra Podcast: Put out by BBC History Magazine. Historians, for the most part British, talking about the subjects of their latest projects. (Not always books. This is, after all, put out by the BBC.)
Benjamin Franklin’s World: It’s a podcast about early American history with a much broader scope than Mr. Franklin, including an occasional timewarp question, where historians grapple with a hypothetical question about what might have happened.
I must admit: Much as I enjoy these, I have not yet found a history podcast that I jump on the day it is posted and fret if it doesn’t show up on time. I’ll let you know when I stumble across it.
In the meantime, I’m eager to hear your suggestions.
*If you’re interested in learning about my favorite writing podcast, you can check it out on my most recent newsletter: here. It’s been a podcast kind of week.
**I’m sticking with the same policy I apply to book reviews: keep it positive. I don’t review the books that I throw to the floor in disgust (or even on rare occasions put in the recycling). I’m not going to review the podcasts that I make me say “No. No. No.” and hit the stop button. On the flip side, the fact that a podcast is not on the list is not a negative statement. And in case you haven’t guess, all opinions on this website are very much my own.

