Talking About Women’s History: Three Questions and an Answer with Kimberly Sherman

Dr. Kimberly B. Sherman is a member of the next wave of women’s historians. She is a historian, writer, and educator living in Wilmington, NC. She received her Ph.D. in Modern History from the University of St. Andrews. Her current book project is titled Intimate Worlds: Scottish families in early North Carolina and the Atlantic World.

You heard about her here first, folks. Take it away, Kimberly!

When did you first become interested in women’s history?  What sparked that interest?
I think a lot of my interest in women’s history came right from my family. I’ve always said that spending time in my grandmother’s kitchen when I was little inspired my trajectory toward the field of history. She’d tell me stories about growing up in southeastern North Carolina as we made biscuits or cornbread together. Later on, when I actually got into studying history at university, I shied away from women’s history because I had been brainwashed with the idea that women were expected to do women’s history — so I resisted. In the end, I realized how distorted that mentality was and I fell headfirst into loving the field.

[Pamela butting in here: This statement tells me how far we have come in the last forty years: “ I had been brainwashed with the idea that women were expected to do women’s history.” I was blown away when I read that sentence. When I first began studying history, women’s history was brand new and controversial. Not only were women expected to do women’s history, but women were often warned away from it on the grounds that it might damage their careers. (I know of one woman whose dissertation committee asked “Isn’t that a little–soft?” when presented with her proposed topic.*)  We have made more progress than we sometimes realize. Carry on.]

What do you find most challenging or most exciting about researching historical women?
One of the most challenging aspects is often the lack of sources written directly by women, especially from the eighteenth century and previous. So many women did not have the privilege of literacy or their personal documents have not been preserved in the same manner as the “great men” of history. So I guess that would be the silences of the archives and the challenge of sometimes having to read between the lines. At the same time, it can be incredibly thrilling when you find something you don’t expect!

What was the most surprising thing you’ve found doing historical research for your work? 
Last summer I was conducting research as a fellow at the Winterthur Museum and Library in Delaware for a new project. After I had exhausted most of the collections I was interested in, I called up a volume that looked like it might be loosely related to my research on Scottish families in revolutionary North Carolina. It turned out to be a cyphering book (or mathematics exercise book) kept by a teenage girl from northeastern North Carolina in 1776. Every page of exercises was embellished with elaborate doodles and penmanship revealing a very political stance in support of revolution. It is a breathtaking volume and I can’t wait to uncover more about this young woman and her community!

And a question from Kimberly for Pamela: What do you think is the most under-researched topic or era in women’s history? What needs to be done?

The real answer is all of it! But if I have to chose: the most under researched topics are those related to women of color and non-elite women. I tiptoed into this area in Women Warriors because I wanted my global history to be truly global. It is challenging because even fewer traditional sources are available. But people are producing some exciting work in this field. Two recent examples I ‘m eager to get my hands on are A Black Women’s History of the United States by Daina Ramey Berry and Kali Nicole Gross and Rebel Cinderella: From Rags to Riches to Radical, the Epic Journey of Rose Pastor Stokes by Adam Hochschild. Exciting stuff!

 

Want to know more about Kimberly Sherman? Her writing may be found at www.kimberlybsherman.com .

 

*Feel free to growl, curse, or throw something.

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Come back tomorrow for three questions and an answer with attorney turned biographer Marlene Trestman.

Talking About Women’s History: More Than Three Answers and a Question with Sarah Rose

Sarah Rose is a journalist and bestselling author of D-Day Girls: The Spies Who Armed the Resistance, Sabotaged the Nazis and Helped Win World War II, and For All the Tea in China: How England Stole the World’s Favorite Drink and Changed History.

 A former news columnist at the Wall Street Journal, her feature writing appears in Outside, The New York Post, Travel + Leisure, Bon Appetit, The Saturday Evening Post, and Men’s Journal.

 Sarah is a graduate of Harvard College and the University of Chicago.

I’m pleased to have her here for what turned out to be seven questions and an answer!

How did you discover the women you write about in D-Day Girls?

I was interested in writing about women in the military – how do women operate in traditionally male spaces? When I asked the question “Who was the first woman in combat?” I discovered it was the women of SOE, the Special Operations Executive. And it wasn’t a new phenomenon, it was 75 years old and we had mostly forgotten their stories.

D-Day Girls tells the story of three fascinating women.  Do you have a favorite among them?

I suppose I feel most strongly about Andree Borrel because she wasn’t able to tell us her story. Almost everything we have is a secondhand source. A lot of energy went into figuring out what happened to her, so we know a lot, but in her voice we only have these 5 letters she managed to sneak out of prison before she died.

How does your experience as a journalist inform your work as a historian?

I don’t really think of my work as a reporter and as a historian separately. My trade is sources and stories. When I was reporting, it was always my job to know everything about my subject before an interview, and I spent a lot of time in the morgue, or in databases, researching. As a historian, it’s harder (though not impossible) to interview live sources, but there are still vast swaths of original documents that tell the story. It’s my job – as a reporter or a historian – to interrogate sources and make them cohere as stories.

How would you describe what you write?

I write narrative non-fiction. Traditional history can be bland, written from the point of view of the present, from a results-oriented perspective, as if the conclusion was obvious to everyone at the time. But that’s not how we live at all. No one knew how D-Day would turn out, Eisenhower had no clue. And if you read the histories, it is taken as a given that the Allies won the day. I don’t know who wins the 2020 election. We have no idea how our own lives will end, this is the human condition.  So I try to write a story that is true, but I want it to read like lived experience, as if it were a great novel. I am not allowed to make anything up – everything, every thought from a character, every bit of dialogue, every description of every room can be sourced.

Who are some of your favorite authors working today?

Erik Larson is the master of narrative non-fiction. I study everything he writes, I try to reverse-engineer why his books are such a pleasure to read, why they work and how he is just so good.

What do you find most challenging or most exciting about researching historical women?

Women’s work is historically mis-categorized. When I started D-Day Girls, the scholars in the field said women of SOE  “didn’t do much” or “they were just couriers” as if parachuting behind enemy lines and blowing up Nazi installments, surviving Gestapo interrogation is somehow not much. And what they mean is it’s not as important as the male agent’s work. (This is, according to men…) If you center the women’s stories – make the men the marginal players – whole new narratives reveal themselves.

So for instance, if we were to pick one thing in WWII that changed the war more than anything else, that did more to turn the war in favor of the Allies, we could reasonably argue that it was ULTRA, the decrypting of the Enigma machine, that allowed us to get our convoys across the Atlantic and overpower Hitler. This was work performed overwhelmingly by a female workforce, Bletchley Park was 80 percent women. So, led by a gay man, Alan Turing, a force of primarily women won World War II.

It takes centering the experiences of marginalized voices to even see an argument that women won the war. This isn’t about participation trophies: we are less safe now, as a nation, if we don’t recognize the way women — and women’s work — contributes to the national defense.

Do you think Women’s History Month is important and why? 

It helps to see ourselves in history to make history. We need role models. We shouldn’t have to break every glass ceiling for the first time. Some ceilings were already broken but the stories got lost, mostly because men wrote the stories. There are hidden figures everywhere.

May there be so much equality someday that every month is women’s history month.

And a question from Sarah for Pamela: Tell us about a woman (or group of women) from the past who has inspired your writing.
At the personal level, my grandmother who told me stories about her own childhood that inspired my interest in the past and my mother, who is also a writer and who taught me by example about seizing time to write even when it wasn’t easy.

Moving beyond my own circles: I want to be Barbara Tuchman when I grow up. Like Eric Larson, she was a master of narrative non-fiction. And she pursued stories that caught her imagination across a broad range of periods and topics.


Want to know more about Sarah Rose and her work?
Check out her website: https://sarahrose.com/
Follow her on Twitter: https://twitter.com/thesarahrose

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Come back tomorrow for three questions and an answer with historian Kimberly Sherman, who asked me a really tough question.

Reading Your Way Through Women’s History Month, Pt 1

We’re a week into Women’s History Month and people all over the internet are posting lists of good books about women’s history.*  I am happily adding names to my To-Be-Read list, which is already so long that I may never work my way through it. But in the excitement of learning about new (or at least new-ish) books, it’s easy to forget (slightly) older books of women’s history.

Here are links to a dozen reviews from earlier posts, just in case your list isn’t long enough already:

The Rival Queens: Catherine de’Medici, Her Daughter Marguerite de Valois, and the Betrayal That Ignited a Kingdom

Marie von Clausewitz: The Woman Behind the Making of On War (Okay, this isn’t technically a review. It’s an interview with the author. My blog; my rules.)

 Astrid Lundgren’s War Diaries, 1939-1945

Goddess of Anarchy: The Life and Times of Lucy Parsons, American Radical

 Warrior Women: An Archaeologist’s Search for History’s Hidden Heroines

Meg, Jo, Beth and Amy: The Story of Little Women and Why It Still Matters

The General’s Niece: The Little-Known De Gaulle Who Fought to Free Occupied France (FYI. You’re going to be hearing more from Paige Bowers later this month

 The Amazons: Lives and Legends of Warrior Women Across the Ancient World

The Women Who Wrote the War

Fly Girls: How Five Daring Women Defied All Odds and Made Aviation History

Dickey Chapelle Under Fire: Photographs by the First Female War Correspondent Killed in Action

Daughters of Chivalry: The Forgotten Princesses of King Edward Longshanks

That should keep you busy for a while.**

 

*I was pleased to be included in this list: 8 Unforgettable True Stories of Women Who Made Their Mark on History

**If you’re looking for more suggestions, I highly recommend Greer McAllister’s blog series #read99women,  in which 99 women authors recommend books by and about women. (Full disclosure: I made my recommendation on February 27.)

 

 

A FEW PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS

If you are reading this in real time: we spring forward into Daylight Savings Time on Sunday. Don’t forget to change your clocks. (I also celebrate this event by cursing whoever decided this was a good idea. It doesn’t actually save daylight. It just steals it from the morning people and gives it to the night people. Rant over. Until next year.)

I will be speaking about Women Warriors in the Twin Cities on March 11. Here are links to the details:
St. Paul https://www.globalminnesota.org/event/global-conversations-st-paul-women-warriors/
Minneapolis https://www.globalminnesota.org/event/global-conversations-minneapolis-women-warriors/

In case you missed it, Women Warriors is now available in paperback.

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Come back on Monday for three questions and an answer with Sarah Rose, author of The D-Day Girls !