Talking About Women’s History: Three Questions and an Answer with Shelley Puhak
I am thrilled to have Shelley Puhak back for another round of Three Questions and an Answer. I loved her last book, The Dark Queens: The Bloody Rivalry that Forged the Medieval World and was thrilled when I learned she was writing about the infamous Elizabeth Bathory. (Spoiler: It lived up to my expectations.)
Shelley writes literary nonfiction and poetry informed by rigorous historical research. Her prose has appeared in The Atlantic, Smithsonian, and Virginia Quarterly Review; been anthologized in Best American Travel Writing; and designated as Notable in four editions of Best American Essays. Her nonfiction debut The Dark Queens (Bloomsbury 2022), exploring the little-known queens Brunhild and Fredegund, was a national bestseller and a USA Today Best Books selection, an Amazon Editors’ Pick, and a Goodreads Choice Awards finalist. Her second book The Blood Countess, a reexamination of the notorious Elizabeth Bathory, was released in February 2026.
Shelley is also the author of three award-winning books of poetry. The most recent is Harbinger, a National Poetry Series selection (Ecco/ HarperCollins 2022).
Take it away, Shelley!
You start Blood Countess with a chilling narrative of the story of Elizabeth Bathory, who has been demonized through the centuries as the world’s most prolific female serial killer. Then you bluntly state: “And nearly none of it is true.” What inspired you to unravel Bathory’s story from myth and misinformation?
We’re all witnessing the proliferation of online disinformation, and I couldn’t help but hear echoes of Elizabeth’s time, when another new and unregulated technology enabled conspiracy theories to spread faster and further than ever before.
Elizabeth Bathory is accused of torturing and killing hundreds of young girls and bathing in their blood. I was also curious why so many people really want this legend to be true. In the past, the legend gave many repressed men the chance to discuss, imagine, and sketch lots of naked (dead) female bodies, all in the name of pursuing moral or scientific truth. But now, over 400 years later, why does this story still have such a grip on our imaginations? (I have theories!) Its an intriguing historical cold case, but it is also a fascinating case study in who gets to speak, what counts as evidence, and how myths get made.
How does Bathory’s story fit into the larger framework of witch hunting in Europe in the seventeenth century?
Her case unfolds at the beginning of The Great Hunt, the explosion of witchcraft accusations and trials in early modern Europe. The same men who accused and investigated Elizabeth Bathory also oversaw the witch hunts in the area.
So many women in Elizabeth’s family end up accused of witchcraft: her mother-in-law, her aunt, her cousins, and her niece. Elizabeth herself was alleged to use a supernatural pretzel for surveillance, serve bewitched cakes to her enemies, and command an army of invisible demon dogs and cats. She was also known to have kept company with convicted witches: one of Elizabeth’s friends was accused of dabbling in the dark arts, and another was burned at the stake.
What do you find most challenging or most exciting about researching historical woman?
I find it exhilarating to uncover the networks of women of any time period, the overlooked sisters, daughters, cousins, friends and rivals. Intertwined with Elizabeth’s story were women joining rebellions, pitching in as soldiers, operating printing presses, running medical practices, even women trying to become priests. If you go looking for one woman, you always turn up dozens of others, deserving of books of their own.

A question from Shelly: From the nail-biting opening on the streets outside her apartment to the scene of Schultz dodging shrapnel on her way to a broadcast, wartime Berlin is so integral to The Dragon from Chicago. You incorporate subway systems, walking routes, multiple state and bureau buildings, etc. How did you manage to render Berlin so vividly when this version of Berlin ended up reduced to rubble? What tools, tricks, or tips do you have for readers and writers interested in researching places that have been irrevocably altered or no longer exist?
I worked really hard at this, so I’m glad to hear that I succeeded.
I would say that the research skills are much the same, but the questions are different. Here are some the things I found helpful:
1. If you’ve spent anytime following me here on the Margins or on my newsletter, you know that I’m a big fan of maps. In the case of The Dragon From Chicago, maps became even more important than usual. In the course of writing about one of the many small revolts that occurred in Germany during the first months of the Weimar republic, I realized that I needed not only to untangle the events as they occurred day by day, but I also needed to place those events in space to see just how they would have affected Sigrid Schultz.
I had already pinpointed the location of the Schultz apartment thanks to Google maps and a big street map of modern Berlin. Now I began to track her movements and the movements of the battles. That’s when I ran into a problem: some of the streets weren’t on the modern map. The ultimate solution was to locate a map of Berlin between the wars (harder to find than you might think) and work with it in conjunction with my more detailed modern map. I located the location of all the buildings that were important to my story—most of which no longer exist. I also traced the routes Sigrid was most apt to have traveled between them, based in part on her letters. I used Google maps to get an estimate of distance and travel time, which gave me a rough idea of how far apart things were. (It would have been wonderful to do this in person in modern Berlin, but I began working on the book in March, 2020. Travel was not an option,).
This gave me a physical framework on which to set the action
2. Obviously I spent a lot of time looking at photographs, not only of public buildings but also of the streets of Berlin between 1919 and 1941. There were some images that I wanted but never found, or found too late to use. For instance I didn’t find a picture of the Hotel Adlon bar, which was a major location in the book, until The Dragon From Chicago was in copy edits. Luckily Sigrid gave several detailed descriptions, right down to the red leather seats on the chairs.
And speaking of those red leather seats: After a while, I realized that the prevalence of black and white photos was coloring—so to speak—my image of mid-century Berlin. Thinking of the city in shades of gray was metaphorically all too apt for the period. So I began to seek out paintings, drawings, and illustrations from the period that would add color to my mental image. FYI: this is a case where the big names may not be your best bet. Paintings by Otto Dix and George Grosz illustrated the zeitgeist; talented but more conventional artists told me what the streets and store interiors looked like in realistic terms.
3. I combed my sources for sensory details that would bring scenes to life: when I mention the weather it comes from contemporary report. I read every memoir or contemporary account of the period I could get my hands on. Even when they report the same events they see different things.
4. I sought out information about urban planning, transportation, and technology to learn about public transportation, utilities, radio, and information transmission.
In short, find ways to look for the physicality of your setting, not just the events that occurred there.
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Interested in learning more about Shelley and her work?
Check out her website: www.shelleypuhak.com
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Come back tomorrow for three questions and an answer with journalist Denise Kieran
Mary Elizabeth Garrett, the “Friday Evening” Group, and Coercive Philanthropy
In the course of researching my last blog post, I discovered Mary Elizabeth Garrett (1854-1915), the woman who founded and led the Women’s Medical Fund Committee, which raised the money that allowed the Johns Hopkins University medical school to open, and forced the school to admit women and to improve the quality of medical education. Groups of women raising money for charitable and civic causes isn’t a new story, though the financial blackmail Garret’s team applied is an interesting twist.[1] But when I went a little deeper into the story, I found Miss Garret entirely too interesting to leave in the footnotes. Her story focuses on two issues that I’m spending a lot of time thinking about these days: women’s education and the power of women working in groups
Mary Elizabeth Garrett was the third child and only daughter of banker and railroad tycoon John Work Garrett. Known as the Railroad King, he was the president of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, which was the first major railroad in the United States, and one of the most influential men in the country. Because she was a woman, no one expected Garrett to play a role in the family’s financial empire, but she showed an acute business sense from an early age. So much so that her father often lamented that she wasn’t a boy because she would have been such an asset to the company. Her father encouraged her to develop her business skills by using her as his private secretary—a position that was typically held by men in late nineteenth century. As “Papa’s secretary,” she accompanied him on business trips, attended meetings with some of the most influential businessmen of the time, and handled his correspondence. She was also exposed from an early age to personal philanthropy as practiced by her father and his friends financier George Peabody, often considered the father of modern philanthropy, and merchant-banker Johns Hopkins.
When her father died in 1884, her brothers took over the family’s financial empire. Her oldest brother became president of the B & O Railroad. Her other brother ran the family’s original business, Robert Garrett and Sons. Garrett inherited nearly $2 million[2] and three large estates, making her one of the wealthiest women in the country, but her role in the family businesses ended. (That “and Sons” sums it up.)
Cut out of the business world, Garrett vowed to use her money to help women by removing some of the obstacles that had stood in her way, helped by a group of women who had been her friends for many years. While in their teens, Garrett and four other young women with progressive leanings— M.Carey Thomas, Mamie Gwin, Elizabeth “Bessie” King and Julie Rogers—began meeting on Friday evenings to discuss art, literature, politics and social issues. They called themselves “the Friday Evening.” All of them were from wealthy families. Most were from Quaker backgrounds. All but Julie Rogers were daughters of Johns Hopkins trustees—a detail that would prove to be important. Over time they came to the conclusion that education was the key to helping women lead more independent lives. They had learned by personal experience that even wealth didn’t open all the doors.
Their first effort in promoting education for women, with Garrett’s financial backing and the “Friday Evening” as the governing board, was the formation of a college preparatory school for women, the Bryn Mawr School in Baltimore[3]. Although some detractors grumbled that the money would have been better spent on a domestic school to teach women to be better housewives and mothers, the Bryn Mawr School became a model for girls’ college prep schools across the country.
Their next contribution to women’s higher education was on a grander scale: the formation of Johns Hopkins Medical School as a co-educational institution. Garrett had offered the university $35,000[4] in 1887 as seed money for a co-educational school of science. The endowment left by Hopkins was going strong and the board of trustees turned her down. Several years later, when the endowment was faltering and the board didn’t have enough money to open the medical school, the Friday Evening saw its opportunity. Because several of their fathers were still on the Johns Hopkins’ board, the women knew just how bad the crisis was. Enlisting support from influential women across the country,[5] they formed the Women’s Medical Fund Committee to raise the needed funds, with the caveat that women be allowed to enroll. They organized fifteen committees in major cities throughout the country, headed by prominent local women. They made sure that newspapers covered their activities. Nonetheless, the committee struggled to raise the entire $500,000 needed. Garrett made up the difference, with the additional caveat that the school be a graduate institution with rigorous entrance requirements. The board of trustees did not take the money or the related conditions laid down by the women easily. (One faculty member quipped that it was a good thing he was already a professor because he would never have gotten in as a student.) But ultimately Johns Hopkins Medical School opened as a graduate level institution, with women in the first class and in every class thereafter.
[1] Introducing me to the term “coercive philanthropy,” in which a donor uses wealth as a weapon to force social change. Garrett was an early and adept practitioner of the art.
[2] My go-to relative value calculator says that would be more than $800 billion today, which would make her worth more than Bill Gates. Even if this is not accurate, it is safe to say that she inherited a LOT of money.
[3] Although the school was named for Bryn Mawr College, which was founded as an all-women’s college in 1885, there was no official relationship between the two.
[4] Roughly $13 billion today. Apparently the trustees really objected to the idea of allowing women to enroll.
[5] Including, among others:
- Frances Louise Morgan, the second wife of J. Piermont Morgan
- Jane Stanford, the wife of Leland Stanford
- First Lady Caroline Harrison
- Bertha Palmer, the queen of Chicago society
- Julia Ward Howe, whose name I assume you recognize
- Novelist Sarah Orne Jewett, whose name came up in a recent blog post
- Dr. Emily Blackwell, who opened the first American hospital staffed by and for women, with her sister Dr Elizabeth Blackwell and Dr. Marie Zakrewzska
Talking About Women’s History: A Bunch of Questions and an Answer with Jennifer Banning Tomás
Jennifer Banning Tomás is a professor of history at Piedmont Virginia Community College. Her teaching and research center on 19th and 20th century American social, political, and cultural history; women, gender, and race; civic activism and social movements; the historical profession and higher education. She has published scholarly journal articles, encyclopedia articles and book reviews, and conducted and assisted in the production of oral history collections. Her work has been supported by research grants from Binghamton University, the Schlesinger Library, the Sophia Smith Collection, and the Southern Historical Collection at the University of North Carolina. She earned her Ph.D. from Binghamton University and has been a member of the history faculty at Piedmont Virginia Community College since 2013. She is the recipient of the 2026 State Council for Higher Education of Virginia–Outstanding Faculty Award.
Tomás’s book, Reclaiming Clio: Making American Women’s History, 1900-2000, is a sweeping narrative that relates the history of an exciting intellectual movement comprising the work of two generations of historians, archivists, and curriculum designers who labored to fully incorporate women into the institutions, narratives, and curricula of American history. Their work initially developed in a historical context that generally ignored or dismissed women and their history as irrelevant to the development of the United States. Feminist historians, however, saw their work as essential to dignifying and valuing women’s existence and active participation in American history.
Take it away, Jennifer!

When did you first become interested in women’s history and what path led you to write Reclaiming Clio?
Thank you for featuring Reclaiming Clio on your blog.
I’m from Susan B. Anthony’s base of operations in Rochester, N.Y., where she infamously registered to vote and cast her ballot in 1874 and was then tried and convicted for her radical act of civil disobedience. It was also where she, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and Matilda Joslyn Gage compiled the first three volumes of The History of the Woman Suffrage Movement in the 1880s. Her grave is in the same cemetery where Frederick Douglass is buried and where every major election year local women make a pilgrimage of sorts to affix their “I voted” stickers to her gravestone. So, I’m tempted to say location, location, location; or it’s something in the waters of my hometown. But obviously not every Rochesterian goes on to get a Ph.D. in the subject or write a book about the making of the academic field of American women’s history. I can’t say I had any special interest in women’s history before I went to college and encountered the right professors.
Really my earliest academic interest in women’s history that I recall traces back to a general U.S. History survey course I took back in 1997 at a community college in Central New York. It was a little before the 150th anniversary of the Seneca Falls Women’s Rights Convention. The course came first for me and in it, I wrote my first document analysis history paper on the Seneca Falls Declaration of Sentiments and Resolutions. I got an A on it. So, I was encouraged by my professor, Dr. Diane Casey, as a writer. Then she encouraged me to transfer to a four-year school and get my BA. I later ran into her when I attended the 150th Anniversary of the Seneca Falls Convention in 1998. I saw Hillary Clinton speak at that sesquicentennial celebration with my aunt and 4-year-old daughter in tow. Something about being in a place like that at commemorative moment like that has power and makes you feel connected to—grateful to—those who fought for our rights. It’s one of the reasons it’s so important for us to protect these public history sites from underhanded defunding efforts and outright censorship. My second research paper in a history course at that community college was on Emma Goldman. I don’t think I knew I was on a women’s history path yet. I just liked history. I majored in American History and Social Studies Education but really had no idea of specializing in something called “women’s history.” As a first-generation college student, I didn’t even intend to get a Ph.D. But again, I was living and working as a social studies teacher in a serendipitous location and ended up going to graduate school at Binghamton University. Fate put me in the courses of Thomas Dublin and Kathryn Kish Sklar and other excellent historians who focused on various aspects of the history of race, class, women, gender, and sexuality in different parts of the world. I really fell in love with graduate school and history. Kitty became my advisor when I agreed to work on the dissertation from which the book evolved. She originally envisioned the project as focusing on the 1960s to 2000 and the research nucleus of the project featured an oral history collection of U. S. Women’s historians she had produced with Mary Logan Rothschild of Arizona State University. Obviously, I expanded the timeline and the research plan considerably.
What was the most surprising thing you learned doing research for your work?
One of the most surprising things I learned in doing this work was just how hard it can be to nail down terminology and definitions. I spent what I initially thought was a silly amount of time trying to find the roots of the term “women’s history.” My advisor insisted it hadn’t been used before the 1970s. So, I set out to discover earlier uses by historians to refer to the academic study of women in the past, or the body of literature they produced, in those terms. I think it’s the only field that uses the possessive form. We don’t say African-American’s history, American’s history, Native-American’s history, European’s history, laborer’s history. So, why did we start calling this field of inquiry “women’s history?” One of the earliest places I saw this construction used was in the private correspondence and publications of historians Mary Beard, Alma Lutz, and other midcentury feminist historians involved with establishing women’s archives in the mid-1940s. It wasn’t widely or publicly adopted until a group of women introduced it into resolutions presented at the annual meetings of the American Historical Association and the Organization of American Historians in 1969 and 1970. The women demanded the associations support and direct resources to research and teaching of the neglected field of women’s history. The implication was that women had been deprived of their history by male arbiters of historical legitimacy and relevance. Feminist historians, like Gerda Lerner, made the case that depriving a people of their rightful place in history taught society that they had no rightful place in history, and devalued them as members of society. They thus understood the recovery of women’s history as both an academic endeavor and an inherently feminist act not just about women, but for women. Perhaps even a blow against patriarchy in that it would eventually expose the workings of patriarchy.
Another sort of gradual realization for me was that one of the most powerful aspects of the movement for women’s history was that by making women historically visible and doing good, responsible scholarship that adhered to the core academic tenets of the historical discipline, feminist scholars could strike a blow for gender equality. That this knowledge foundation would be enduring, even in the worst of times.
Most of us think of women’s history as beginning with second wave feminist historians in the 1970s. You begin the story much earlier. How did the contributions of those earlier historians lay the foundation for women’s history as an academic discipline?
First, I don’t think I would call “women’s history” an academic discipline per se. It is a thematic specialization within whatever your geographic, national, or topical specialization is. Right? History is an academic discipline. American history is a broad field of specialization. American women’s and gender history is also a broad field of specialization, as is Modern European women’s and gender history for example.
I begin the story of the field’s origins much earlier quite simply because that is where the investigative trail led me—back to the very beginnings of efforts in the United States to make American historians within academia pay attention to the historical experiences, activities, and yes, “contributions” of women to American life. In examining the archival record and also the contradictions in the way women historians told and retold the story of the field’s founding I began to perceive several things.
First, once I found my way into the institutional records of the Arthur and Elizabeth Schlesinger Library on the History of American Women at the Radcliffe Harvard Institute and The Sophia Smith Collection at Smith College, I was absolutely convinced that archivists and historians working to build women’s archives and build history careers while specializing in the history of women in the 1940s and 1950s had quite literally built the brick and mortar as well as the archival foundations for those who came to work in the field after 1969. What’s more they had done it with the quiet support of some important allies in the mainstream historical profession, an insight I first had when reading in the professional correspondence files of leading historians of women like Mary Elizabeth Massey, Anne Firor Scott, and Gerda Lerner who’d entered the profession between 1947 and 1966 with a good deal of encouragement and support from prominent male mentors. They also had small bands of female peers they connected with in the 1950s and 1960s—other historians of women. These three women were consummate professionals and very active in the major historical societies of American historians like the Organization of American Historians and the Southern Historical Association. They didn’t shy away from interacting professionally with the men dominating the profession and parlayed their academic and professional ties into opportunities not just for themselves, but for the field that came to be called women’s history, and for younger women who started entering graduate history programs in the 1960s. As role models, Scott and Lerner really paid it forward, since they both lived and stayed professionally active through the 1990’s. They were both still going to academic conferences when I started graduate school in 2008. That kind of commitment to the cause of women’s history was contagious. I think I caught the contagion just by reading in their papers and letters! Must’ve seeped in through the pores.
Second, this notion that there was “no women’s history” before the 1970s, is a rhetorical fiction. As I explain in the book. Feminist historians rightly observed in the 1970s that most academic historians had paid little attention to the history of women, didn’t teach it in most places, and didn’t consider it a developed or even a compelling area of specialization. The historical profession was predominantly male for most of the 20th century, and most male scholars weren’t interested in the history of women. Neither were most women scholars for that matter. But some historians were doing it and in the United States, most of these happened to be Americanists. There was a quiet ferment in the field at midcentury that was being encouraged by some pretty significant male historians in some very prestigious academic institutions, such as Harvard, Columbia, and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. And there was also a quiet movement for creating women’s archival repositories dating back to the 1930s. There was just a lot more going on between the 1930s and 1960s to prepare the way for the women’s history initiatives launched in the 1970s than was apparent at the time to the young radical feminist historians transitioning from grad school into their early careers in the 1970s and 1980s
Another thing I found was that the same people who were writing dissertations on the history of women in the 1940s, and building women’s archives, publishing scholarly monographs about women, or incorporating women into their undergraduate history courses in the 1950s and 1960s—they show up as advocates, mentors and leaders of those feminists historians building the new “women’s history” in the 1970s. You see it in the institutional records of the OAH and the AHA, in the professional correspondence left in people’s papers, and in the records of big projects. So where do the earliest roots of the field originate? With the younger generation of the 1970s? I think not. The mid-century generation of feminist historians, it seemed to me, were an integral part of the field’s origins story that had not been given its proper recognition. They weren’t just pioneering precursors laboring at the margins of history. And their achievements, though small compared to what came later, were accomplished during decades when there wasn’t a mass women’s movement, like the second wave, to generate cultural support for it.
I don’t know why they’ve been overlooked until now, except for the fact that the flood of scholarship that was produced from the 1970s forward by a much, much larger number of historians of women who organized collectively on behalf of the field and to improve the status of women in the historical profession quickly overshadowed the progress that had been made by the mid-century generation. And that younger generation then dominated the historiography for thirty to forty years and shaped their students’ understanding of when women’s history became a field. So, that’s why everyone still goes around saying, “there was no women’s history before the 1970s.” Then if you start listing examples of all the women’s history, historians of women, women’s archives, exceptions to this commonplace, they begin to try to discount all that came before as somehow “not women’s history” or not part of the field of women’s history as they have understood it. That struck me as exceedingly ungenerous to the pioneering scholars and archivists trying to make women’s history possible during times when doing that wasn’t really all that professionally expedient. I now understand it to be more of a generational perspective, a product of the zeitgeist of the ‘60s and ‘70s. Young scholars were trying to distinguish themselves and what they were doing from what had come before.
In any case, I became a little fixated on making the mid-century historians’ work visible and showing how it provided the foundations for the field that supported what came after. By tracing the professional, personal, and institutional connections between historians of different generations, I was able to show more than just what this generation did before the next generation showed up on the history scene. I was able to show how the older generation of historians directly supported the work of the subsequent generation. That fixation turned into five chapters of my book.
I also really wanted to set the record straight in other ways. We historians of women in the United States haven’t really had a mainline historiography of our own. We’ve had lots of people telling bits and pieces of the story from different corners of the field as they’ve seen and experienced their part in developing women’s and gender history in the U.S. The closest we’ve come is Judith Zinsser’s 1993 Feminism and History, which is now out of print. We’ve got myriad oral histories, reflective essay collections, states of the field dialogues. I wanted to create a cohesive narrative that spanned generations and teased out the common threads as to what these generations were trying to accomplish in creating this exciting field of inquiry. And I wanted to meet these women (and men) on their own terms, before taking them to task for their failings. Honestly, I think we already do a good enough job of criticizing ourselves and one another.
The feminist historians who took women’s history to such glorious heights from the 1970s to the 1990s accomplished remarkable things in terms of expanding and even creating whole new fields and subfields of women’s history. They recruited and mentored a new generation of women’s, gender, and sexuality historians who in turn did the same. From the earliest years of the women’s history movement, many participants were not just interested in promoting attention to diversity and inclusivity in both their ranks and their scholarship. They were insistent upon it. By the mid-to-late 1970s, seeking out the participation of women of color historians, and paying more attention to race, class, sexuality, and gender in history increasingly became the sine qua non of most major women’s history gatherings for example. By the 1980s, it was de rigueur.
You look at the work of many individual historians to examine how women’s history was created as a discipline. Do you have a favorite? Is there someone you were sad not to include?
The first half of the book focuses more on individuals because there were fewer people working in the field and there wasn’t much of an organizational life built around women’s history as a collective project, with the exception of the big women’s history archives perhaps. Then the second half of the book focuses more on those working in collaboration, collective action, and organizations. That schematic was a natural outgrowth of how historians of women were doing women’s history in each era.
I can’t say I had a “favorite.” I came to really admire the tenacity, work ethic, smarts, and spirit of the midcentury feminist historians. Because their success was the result of a lot of hard work, chutzpah, and talent. I think it probably comes through in the way I write about them and just how much attention I lavished on them in part 2 of the book, which could have been a stand-alone book in its own right. I think the late Anne Firor Scott became my first professional role model while I was reading in her professional correspondence for lots of reasons. She was assertive, courteous, charming with her peers; a role model and mentor extraordinaire. I got to benefit from all the advice she ever put in print to anyone in a letter. Something she said in an interview once really stuck with me: “You see, the lesson is, Mary (Rothschild), it pays to write nice letters.” That seems like such a small thing, but it was so many letters and pearls of wisdom like that over a lifetime of devotion to promoting American women’s history and younger scholars. Another gem I came across in a letter she wrote to Ellen Dubois back in the 1970s. She wrote: “I learned from Thomas Jefferson that, if you keep at it, enormous amounts of work get done.”
I also admire the 1970s generation for their energy, chutzpah, brilliance, work-ethic, and tenacity every bit as much. I guess I’m supposed to be more detached than that as a scholar. But these historians have been living with me for years now and I can’t help but reiterate the closing sentiment from my acknowledgements. They have given us all a priceless gift by helping the majority find its past.
Am I sad about not being able to include someone?
Well, I would have liked to include more photos. But given the length of the book, I’m not sad about not being able to include everyone and everything. No book can do everything and sometimes people or things that really ought to be mentioned just don’t make the editorial cut. I’m not, after all, in the name-dropping business. The indexing process was painful though. I was like, oh no, so and so is going to look themself up and not see their name in the index or bibliography and be so offended they will toss the book aside. That almost happened at the last AHA conference. But the historian forgave me when she saw I had cited her work in the bibliography and said she would read my book. My hired indexer somehow didn’t include one of my most important mentors who was prominently featured in the book. It’s a darned good thing I caught that.
I hope people appreciate the enormous courage it took a graduate student turned obscure community college professor to attempt to write THE history of her field. What could possibly go wrong?
You teach a course on the history of American women at Piedmont Virginia Community College. What aspects of women’s history surprise your students most? What outrages them? What do you see as the biggest challenge in promoting women’s history today?
The biggest challenge is the same it has always been. Do work of relevance to the people or be tossed into the dustbin of history. If our work doesn’t interest or serve the public or our students, why do it? If we can’t find a way to do that at a time when the rights of women and so many other Americans are being dramatically assaulted, then we aren’t doing work that’s relevant.
I worry that the intense efforts and collective achievements of two plus generations of professionally active historians of American women will be forgotten or squandered in the face of contemporary challenges to gender and sexuality studies and other so-called “divisive topics” in higher education. I worry that contemporary historians of women, gender, and sexuality don’t know enough about their own fields’ origins stories to appreciate what each generation of feminist historians brought to the table to make that table longer, more inclusive, and hopefully more durable.
It also drives me a little bonkers to see the persistence of this idea that the history of women is still ignored, “forgotten,” unwritten, absent from curriculum and museums, or whatever. Ignored and forgotten by whom? My book proves that historians of women have now spent well over 60 years recovering, researching, writing, teaching, and publishing the history of women. Certainly, in the United States they did. I know there were parallel efforts in many other countries around the world. There are robust bodies of literature and works of public history waiting for students and the history consuming public to engage with. For heaven’s sake folks, go to the library or just google some women’s history. It proliferates in the digital realm. I’ve recently seen a couple of posts circulating on social media featuring pioneering American historians Gerda Lerner and Magaret Rossiter, which is cool, very cool. But they also portray these two women as unique trailblazers. When in fact, they formed part of an emerging, dynamic movement of hundreds upon hundreds of feminist historians working to build up women’s history into a robust academic specialty in the U.S. from the late 1960s forward.
What am I saying with regard to the challenges we face in promoting women’s history today? On the one hand the threat is coming from inside the house of women’s history—where we need to do a better job of acknowledging and honoring the professional labors and intellectual achievement of our field’s founders and its now incredibly long, rich, and diverse historiography. There is a lot to be proud of there that we don’t often choose to emphasize. We need to build each other and the field up in as inclusive a manner as possible.
There is also a major threat coming from outside the house of women’s history, from the broader culture—from conservative cultural warriors who label our work “divisive” or irrelevant even as they assault the rights of women, LGBTQ communities, immigrants, people of color, and the poor. These are folks who need the powerful historical examples of those who came before to buoy them in challenging times. So, this second threat might be just the thing that reinvigorates public interest in the histories of women and other people who have been historically marginalized from power, equal opportunity, or privilege in the United States.
I think that partly explains why enrollment in my History of American Women (Civic Engagement edition) course has become consistently stable every semester over the last 5 years now. It has earned something of a “cult following” at my tiny community college because it is filling a need for these students. Maybe that’s an exaggeration. But it is certainly an eye-opening 15-week journey for them. It takes them on whirlwind journey through the fundaments of structural race, gender, and class inequality in colonial Virginia, up through three centuries of American women’s active involvement in reform movements and social justice activism. Students are surprised by the broad array of issues women were interested in and the effectiveness of their civic activism even before they could vote. They are impressed by the range of ideological and other types of diversity featured in the course. They are often outraged by the blatant, shamelessly self-serving operations of Anglo-American patriarchal legal systems and cultural practices. And we are almost always left wishing we had another 15 weeks together.
A question from Jennifer: Do you see women’s and gender history as serving contemporary Americans in their struggle to prevent the ongoing erosion of human and civil rights, in the United States in any way? In what ways do you think our scholarship can serve society, if at all?
In my opinion, studying the past inherently serves society by providing context for the present. At the present moment, it is particularly important because history can remind us that we have been here before, if not in exactly the same way. For example, people who felt they had lost control of their society because of the expansion of rights attacked newly established Black rights, especially the right to vote, at the end of Reconstruction.
Looking at the past remind us that democracy is fragile and requires tending. That change begins when individuals stand up. That saying “someone should do something” doesn’t fix anything. Looking at the past can inspire us and enrage us—and I believe both of those things are needed today.
In short, heck yes, our scholarship can serve society.
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Tomorrow will be business as usual here on the Margins with a blog post from me. Then we’ll be back on Monday with three questions and an answer from nonfiction author and prize-winning poet Shelley Puhak.



